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What to expect when you can't expect Windows 11 on your PC

#1

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PHolder

Here's my 4th gen Intel PC, which will never be able to Run Windows 11 being used by Microsoft as a Windows 11 advertising platform:

PHolder2021Oct05WindowsUpdateNotForYou.png


And if you dare click the X to try and acknowledge that you don't give a fart about Windows 11, you can't actually get any respite:

PHolder2021Oct05WindowsUpdateNotForYou2.png


#2

M

Mr._Wayne

I guess it is time for Never11. What say you Steve?


#3

Lob

Lob

I used this to put it on a 2nd gen X1 Carbon because the CPU was not what MS wanted. It works, is quick.
My Surface Pro 7 daily driver is Win11 now, done because it browses, uses Office and Citrix Receiver....low risk.


#4

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Dave New

I figure I have four years to wait, before deciding if I really need to change out hardware, to upgrade to Windows 11. In the meantime, I'm perfectly happy running Windows 10.


#5

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PHolder

I'm perfectly happy running Windows 10.
As am I, but I am not happy to be constantly reminded about the new thing from inside my older thing.


#6

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PHolder

You can do this, in some sense, if you know how to work Group Policies (gpedit.msc, which is available in Pro and can be added to Home.) Here's a pic after I already had it enabled. (You should probably also run an elevated CMD and enter gpupdate to make sure it applies.) Note this will lock you on 21H1, even when 21H2 comes out... so you need to be aware to update this setting eventually.

PHolder2021Oct6_GPEditForWindows11Blocking.png


#7

Steve

Steve

I guess it is time for Never11. What say you Steve?
Looks to me as though Microsoft built “Never11” right into the product!


#8

Barry Wallis

Barry Wallis

Looks to me as though Microsoft built “Never11” right into the product!
Agreed. Everything I've heard and seen is that it will be offered via Windows Update but it will be entirely voluntary. Not even a whisper of any nag screens at this time.


#9

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DanR

Agreed. Everything I've heard and seen is that it will be offered via Windows Update but it will be entirely voluntary. Not even a whisper of any nag screens at this time.
Yup. That has been my take also. It appears that Win 11 will not install on systems that cannot support it. This is in major contrast to the early days of Win 10 when Win 10 would indiscriminately attempt to force itself onto any and every system it could.

By contrast: I bought a shiny new blazing fast Optiplex 9020 (a refurb on Amazon) in late May 2021 for my late but informed transition from Win 7 to Win 10 Pro. This system will not support Win 11 due to its I5 CPU (3.6 GHz). That's OK with me! :) :) :) I am quite OK with Win 10, which will be supported thru mid 2025.

I cannot help but wonder if MS has "engineered Win 11 to fail" by requiring new hardware which is often expensive / hard to get due to current pandemic supply chain issues? :unsure:

Oh, well . . .


#10

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Ralph

A couple days ago doing updates I got the 'Great news' that my laptop can run Windows 11. I don't know about that given MS's track record.


#11

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Bplayer

I cannot help but wonder if MS has "engineered Win 11 to fail" by requiring new hardware which is often expensive / hard to get due to current pandemic supply chain issues? :unsure:

Oh, well . . .
This video interview may help to explain the security prevention that Win 11 is trying implement. Could this be done in Win 10, maybe, but I think there is more to it that is not being revealed. Anyone happy with Win 10 should stick with it until they can get new hardware.


#12

Barry Wallis

Barry Wallis

I cannot help but wonder if MS has "engineered Win 11 to fail" by requiring new hardware which is often expensive / hard to get due to current pandemic supply chain issues?
That would make no sense (especially since they are support Win10 and Win11 side by side for four years).


#13

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DanR

That would make no sense (especially since they are support Win10 and Win11 side by side for four years).
Its happened before. Vista and 8 are considered failed Windows releases. XP, 7, and now 10 (after a slow, onerous start) are considered successes. If the pattern holds . . .

I perhaps should have said : I cannot help but wonder if MS has unwittingly "engineered Win 11 to fail" by requiring new hardware which is often expensive / hard to get due to current pandemic supply chain issues?

Win 11 could become a victim of unfortunate timing by MS.


#14

Barry Wallis

Barry Wallis

[...]
I perhaps should have said : I cannot help but wonder if MS has unwittingly "engineered Win 11 to fail" by requiring new hardware which is often expensive / hard to get due to current pandemic supply chain issues?

Win 11 could become a victim of unfortunate timing by MS.
Yes, that one word makes a big difference. :)


#15

Lob

Lob

I have Win11 now on a Samsung Slate that was a takeaway from MS Build 2011, coming with Win8 on it. It's pretty neat, the machine lives on. Done using the BC method I linked to above..... let's see if it gets a Patch Tuesday hitting it :)


#16

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pkokkinis

Please Mr. Tiberius, we need you. Please give us a Never11 to stop this madness...

never11.png


#17

P

PHolder

stop this madness
You can use the Group Policies as I mentioned above ( https://forums.grc.com/threads/what...t-expect-windows-11-on-your-pc.823/#post-5981 ) it works fine, and even seems to [eventually] remove the nags.


#18

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Ed Roberts

I have an Acer Nitro 5 AN515-51-5082 (Intel Core i5 (7th Gen) 7300HQ / 2.5 GHz. The MS website for CPU's supported says It's supported.
The W11.msi file for checking if your system is supported says NO because of the CPU.
go figure.....


#19

colin.p

colin.p

I bought an i5 4th gen HP desktop off Newegg last March as I wanted to add a windows computer to my motely crew of assorted linux machines. It came with win10 and apparently will not "upgrade" to 11. I find win 10 to be as workable as the last windows I used (XP) and am happy as a clam to keep it on 10 until the bell tolls in October '24.

I just quiver with anticipation at all the "junk, useless, old and obsolete" computers that will be dirt cheap, that will run linux securely without all this TPM, Secure boot nonsense. I can't wait...


#20

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Darcon

Please Mr. Tiberius, we need you. Please give us a Never11 to stop this madness...

View attachment 473
Disable your TPM in BIOS, Windows 11 won't install or prompt you to install like above. Seems like Microsoft gave us a perfect Never 11 already.

I can ignore the warning that my system is not compatible in a window I see once a month. All the other nagging will go away as well.

Unless you are using TPM for BitLocker, there really seems to be no need to enable TPM.


#21

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PHolder

All the other nagging will go away as well.
MS has helpfully decided to force install the Windows Health app such that you will get more Windows 11 nagging and advertising if you ever use it. ;)


#22

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Darcon

MS has helpfully decided to force install the Windows Health app such that you will get more Windows 11 nagging and advertising if you ever use it. ;)
Bleeping Computer has a registry entry to stop it.


#23

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JimWilliamson

I'm starting to see the attached image on client systems. The "Stay on Windows 10 for now" is disquieting as clicking that option puts the upgrade into Microsoft's hands for them to decide how long is "now".

I appreciate knowing of the TPM option though it is a difficult item to toggle via remote. My remote access only works when Windows is running and stepping a client through the BIOS of their system over the phone can be tedious (zoom/facetime/skype via cell phone to see the screen is a rare option).

This post is simply a record of what's being encountered in the wild...

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#24

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PHolder

disquieting as clicking that option puts the upgrade into Microsoft's hands for them to decide how long is "now".
Well, it's a free upgrade to the product. They assume you want the free upgrade rather than to eventually enter into an "End of Support" situation. You can bypass this using the policy for it if you want, and then all of the Windows 11 stuff just magically goes away. The downside is you won't get any further updates to Window 10 either, unless you remember to keep updating the targeted version when they release.


#25

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DanR

You can bypass this using the policy for it if you want, and then all of the Windows 11 stuff just magically goes away.
Right. I use Group Policy on my Win 10 Pro systems to target Windows 10 and my desired Feature version. I have never seen any Win 11 nag or notification.

The downside is you won't get any further updates to Window 10 either, unless you remember to keep updating the targeted version when they release.
What? I get prompted every month, per my update cadence, for the next cumulative monthly update. I never have to manually go looking for it. I just use one click to install it at my convenience.


#26

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PHolder

I get prompted every month, per my update cadence, for the next cumulative monthly update.
Yes, that's correct. What you will NOT get is the next version update. So when Windows 11 22H1 is released you will need to update your policy, or you will never download it.


#27

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DanR

Yes, that's correct. What you will NOT get is the next version update. So when Windows 11 22H1 is released you will need to update your policy, or you will never download it.
Ah, yes! But that is the whole point of targeting. You get to update to the next feature update (by re-targeting) when you want to. And not when MS thinks you should.

Obviously, someone who does not understand targeting could end up being "held" on the currently targeted feature version and left wondering why they are not getting a newer feature version. WU would eventually nag them about EOL and the need to update to a new version.

For those of us that do understand targeting, it is not a problem. Targeting simply gives us some control over our WU destiny.


#28

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Darcon

For those with Windows Home, there is a registry entry to target Window 10 21H1 as the last update you get using the registry.

Like the policy method in the previous page, it has the same problem, when Microsoft releases Window 10 22H1 or beyond, you'll need to tweak this setting to get the new update without going to Windows 11.


#29

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JimWilliamson

You can bypass this using the policy for it if you want, and then all of the Windows 11 stuff just magically goes away. The downside is you won't get any further updates to Window 10 either, unless you remember to keep updating the targeted version when they release.
Thanks for the call-out - I missed (or forgot about) that post prior in the thread.


#30

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Ralph

My laptop has reverted from a message saying it is capable of running Windows 11 to a message saying I can check to see if it can run 11. I haven't done anything so I don't know why the change.


#31

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Mike in Cambridge

As per the post #4: Four years is a long time in consumer operating system development, especially in consumer use. A lot can happen, Windows has its strong points in business use and gaming. I made a decision after the forced imposition of windows 10 on users to move away from Microsoft products for personal use. I still use Winw8.1 on a Dell and will continue to do so until support ends. I now have an IPad, Samsung A52 and home made Linux box for productive work in combination with the Dell. Some essential software is windows based but this can change. - In my very modest opinion Microsoft are gradually loosing some elements of their customer base; huge though it is for now. Win 10 users can bide their time.


#32

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DanR

My laptop has reverted from a message saying it is capable of running Windows 11 to a message saying I can check to see if it can run 11. I haven't done anything so I don't know why the change.
It's Microsoft's doing. Nothing to worry about.

Windows 11 has some rough edges yet. Be content with Windows 10. I am.


#33

rfrazier

rfrazier

I'm content with Windows 7.

May your bits be stable and your interfaces be fast. :cool: Ron


#34

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Mike in Cambridge

"I'm content with Windows 7" I should have mentioned that I have a Dell lap top (upgraded with an inexpensive SSD) with 4Gb of ram running Win 7 Pro as a standby Win PC. Its behind a recently updated router combined with a paid for Anti Virus ( I know people may dis agree with this). Used only for browsing, not banking; together with the latest firefox and Chrome browsers. It is a candidate for Linux but the built in Wi Fi (a Broadcom on the M/B) is a pain - It works well enough. The SSD being a WD 256GB model - careful with the install when switching from old HDD to SSD onold kit. Microsoft still regularly run their anti malware utility download on the PC. - I'm mindful of the risks, especially E Mail.