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Sep 30, 2020
My nightmare just turned true. Always wondered when logging into my bank if it really was them, especially since they are slow lol Feared that someone would be doing a man-in-the-middle attack, retransmitting the data. Guess the evil proxy service makes it real :(

Does the google search is really the site you want or someone doing this? Or that google popup to login is not being intercepted

Guess that other than blocking the sites, which probably would be shortlived, the only option would be a password manager that doesn't fill in the fields if it doesn't match the domains.

Many sites think they have great security because they send you a code through email, sms, and 2fa. Other than being highly annoying, if someone gets your phone, they have everything in there. These website designers forget that you take your phone out of your house every day and many times are lost or stolen
and hope your DNS is your DNS and not someone else's ;)

If your bank does pinning and HSTS, this will help a lot......once you've been to their site.
Looking more into this, it's not going to matter. You're not hitting their domain, you're hitting the scammer proxy.....so not clicking on links and using a password manager like Bitwarden - which will see the domain not matching - is a good defense. I work for a bank and our 2nd factor is out-of-band but I still think the proxy approach where you use the victim to log in and you steal the session will still work.

For Joe Average, this will be a nightmare.

The good news is we see a shift to mobile-first and Apps with 80% being iPhones. Which helps a good deal.
For Joe Average, this will be a nightmare.
General users are usually more susceptible. They don't have any tools that might help mitigate this. I gave password managers to several friends and really doubt any is still using them.

and hope your DNS is your DNS and not someone else's ;)
don't know how they would manage this, but this has been part of my nightmare. Someone taking over the dns functions. Either impersonating your isp's, or your router's dns. Doubt most people set their dns settings for the networks they use, or use something like the nextdns app that reroutes (?) the inquiries to their servers.

This also is akin to their having a proxy that routes the traffic to another server. Not too hard to add one to an AP or router. Think that when you set up a hotspot you can have a proxy and even reroute dns access to your own. For a home/office setup, I'm sure there is a way to manage something like this, even if it is harder to do. Wonder how many isps have people burrowing in their networks. It would probably benefit them more than doing a ransomware attack.

Most people expect access to the internet to be benign, but you only need a few evil sites to do this. Steve thought of something similar when he made this https://www.grc.com/fingerprints.htm. Guess this was your train of thought with "your bank does pinning and HSTS, this will help a lot"
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