Apple Silicon - beginning of the end for x86? Or just helping AMD adding nails in Intels coffin?

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HumanCondition

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Sure, it's early, but just read and seen a few benchmarks and what the M1 can do, on the entry level Macbooks and the Mini, unoptimized (Rosetta 2) and while still not going over 35-40°C..the IPC scores are insane.
Wow

But no Boot Camp and Windows software in industries like CAx, financial and more general enterprises and of course government is still very "invested"..
But it's hard too see x86 being having a performance future, and relying on path dependency in old, traditional customers are a good way to go Nokia in a few years

ARM windows exist, no?
 
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PHolder

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I think all the people thinking this is even significant are nerds. The average person cares not what CPU is in their Apple. So, based on that, I expect Apple to stay at pretty much the exact market percentage they have right now... (less than 10%.) What matters more (most?) is the enterprise, where most PCs are actually used, and they want enterprise level management abilities, which is not something Apple provides, nor ever has. Nothing exciting to see here--move on please.
 
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HumanCondition

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I think all the people thinking this is even significant are nerds. The average person cares not what CPU is in their Apple. So, based on that, I expect Apple to stay at pretty much the exact market percentage they have right now... (less than 10%.) What matters more (most?) is the enterprise, where most PCs are actually used, and they want enterprise level management abilities, which is not something Apple provides, nor ever has. Nothing exciting to see here--move on please.
Good points, but 2x battery life and overall what that efficiency can lead to designwise is pretty interesting from the consumer market?
I don't know enough about datacenters (with more custom software) but wouldn't they be interested in a "M5" investment if there was enough software and the x86 stuff can run at 70-80% in the interim period?
 

PHolder

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Anything could happen, but I am not placing any bets on Apple. Apple's approach to computing is very limiting and a lot people, myself included, are just rubbed the wrong way by it. I have a "late model 2012" Mac mini (the fact that I have to even call it that just rubs the wrong way, what the hell is wrong with more simplified ways to name devices.) The fact I need a decoder ring to know what model I have is just insanity to me. You HAVE to boot a Mac [mini] or iPad or iPhone to know what model it is, because heaven forbid Apple should actually put the model information on the outside.

I bought the Mac mini because I thought I would make iOS apps, and you HAVE to have an Mac to do so. I hated Apple's crappy software development infrastructure so much that I abandoned any ideas of supporting iOS or MacOS. That Mac mini is still running El Capitan (another stupid naming convention) because I found using MacOS more painful than delightful.

Still, there are Apple devotees. My best friend is an Apple Koolaide drinker and nothing I say is ever going to change his mind how wonderful it is to live in the Apple walled garden. We just avoid discussing the topic, so it doesn't become a "flame war" and so I just live and let live.
 
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Insane scores? What about them lacks sanity? Were they obtained in an insane asylum? That doesn't mean they are are insane. They're just numbers.

(Waren die Bewertungsergebnisse tatsächlich verrückt? Wieso?)
 
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Dr.Flay

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This isn't the first time Apple have jumped ship, or used custom chips.
As far as I can see this is just a return to normal.
When Apple moved from PPC to x32 they did it for cost reasons, not to make faster PCs (which is why people made faster Hackintoshes)